04-30-2023, 12:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-30-2023, 12:27 AM by hank.)
Jeremy good points. Here's some responses to your thoughts:
"use a single ELO rating for each of the main variations of the game." ... this is not the case. The ELOs are not managed this way. They are managed into classes of match types however, that is true. And there is overlap. Meaning, when you play and finish a match, more than one of your ELOs is updated for all the ELOs that fit the match specifications. So if you played a 3pt match with timer, both the 3pt match ELO without timer and the ELO for 3pt ELO with timer are updated. Also, the ELO in the class "any match with or without timer of any match length" is also updated. The later being the parallel ELO of the single-ELO system. So this ELO is still there, defined in a very specific match class.
In a single ELO system, a player who plays nothing but 3 point matches will not be identified differently than one who plays 9 point matches. They might have the same ELO and very different skills. This is what is broken. Your 3rd paragraph is something we agree with and have no conflict with for this matter. We want more granularity of skill aligned with the types of matches played.
These "classes of match" types is something we can post and share and is a good question if someone wanted to see the granularity of these ELOs and the classses defined. No one debating these ELO changes has gotten to that point of inquisitiveness yet. We are certainly open to refining those classes and adding places to see them at the site associated with the players.
On your final statement about manipulating the ELOs to appear worse or better to trick someone is a good thought. In time, the display of all your ELOs will be available to everyone to see. Also, the ELOs for match offers are now always shown. And those ELOs are specific to the match your offering. So likely the ELO deceit attempt would be exposed and fail. So we feel we're on the right path here. Certainly the previous single-ELO system was easy to play tricks with those are slowly going away now.
The main focus right now is updating the site so everyone can see these multiple ELOs in the proper context as aligned with matches. This is being worked on now and for the coming weeks.
"use a single ELO rating for each of the main variations of the game." ... this is not the case. The ELOs are not managed this way. They are managed into classes of match types however, that is true. And there is overlap. Meaning, when you play and finish a match, more than one of your ELOs is updated for all the ELOs that fit the match specifications. So if you played a 3pt match with timer, both the 3pt match ELO without timer and the ELO for 3pt ELO with timer are updated. Also, the ELO in the class "any match with or without timer of any match length" is also updated. The later being the parallel ELO of the single-ELO system. So this ELO is still there, defined in a very specific match class.
In a single ELO system, a player who plays nothing but 3 point matches will not be identified differently than one who plays 9 point matches. They might have the same ELO and very different skills. This is what is broken. Your 3rd paragraph is something we agree with and have no conflict with for this matter. We want more granularity of skill aligned with the types of matches played.
These "classes of match" types is something we can post and share and is a good question if someone wanted to see the granularity of these ELOs and the classses defined. No one debating these ELO changes has gotten to that point of inquisitiveness yet. We are certainly open to refining those classes and adding places to see them at the site associated with the players.
On your final statement about manipulating the ELOs to appear worse or better to trick someone is a good thought. In time, the display of all your ELOs will be available to everyone to see. Also, the ELOs for match offers are now always shown. And those ELOs are specific to the match your offering. So likely the ELO deceit attempt would be exposed and fail. So we feel we're on the right path here. Certainly the previous single-ELO system was easy to play tricks with those are slowly going away now.
The main focus right now is updating the site so everyone can see these multiple ELOs in the proper context as aligned with matches. This is being worked on now and for the coming weeks.